In the late 1950’s Ray Grover was part of a small circle of Wellington writers that included Maurice Gee, Fleur Adcock and James K. Baxter. Shortly after publishing his first novel, ‘Another Man’s Role’ in 1967, Ray joined PEN NZ and quickly became involved in the executive. By 1974 he was President. Years later in February 2000 Ray sat down with Alison Gray to talk about those times and why, so soon after joining, he became actively involved.